The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators

Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire with Kamye Hugley

Wed, 13 May 2026 15:23:00 GMT

Kamye Hugley is back, and this time, she's talking about what happens when you trade the classroom for the nonprofit world. Fan favorite Kamye returns to The Exit Interview to share her truth about making the leap from Black educator to nonprofit professional.

Spoiler: it wasn't the escape she imagined. From navigating workplace dysfunction to rediscovering her worth, Kamye breaks down how she transferred her teaching skills into a brand-new arena and what she wishes someone had told her before she made the jump.

If you're a Black educator eyeing the nonprofit sector as your next move, this episode is your required listening.

Saying No To Unconditional Service with Dr. Jessica Reed-Thomas

Thu, 07 May 2026 08:56:00 GMT

Her closing words? Joy chaser. And she means it.

Born in Anchorage, raised to become a lawyer, and fully resistant to the classroom, Jessica Reed-Thomas, Ed.D., fought off teaching for years. Then, a mentor, a university employee with good intuition and an air-conditioned education building at Temple University, changed everything.

What followed was a 12+ year career spanning classroom teacher, technology integration specialist, service-learning coordinator, agriculture curriculum lead, and, eventually, assistant principal overseeing 2,700 students and nearly 500 IEPs in the School District of Philadelphia.

But the real story is what it cost her.

Dr. Thomas opens up about surviving on leftover event food, falling asleep in her guacamole, being physically injured on the job multiple times, and staying in toxic workplaces the same way you stay in a bad relationship until the people she was serving told her to leave.

It was her students who said, " Go". It was her daughter who said, "Why do you keep going back?" And it was her own reflection on unconditional service as a false badge of honor that finally made it click.

Now she's channeling 20 years of hard-won wisdom into consulting on educator wellness, running a youth entrepreneurship program out of Temple University, and building a vending machine curriculum that teaches algebra and financial literacy. Her five-part retention framework policy, practice, people, power, and accountability, is a blueprint every district should be reading.

"All Skinfolk Ain't Kinfolk" with Nye Trusty

Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:01:00 GMT

Nye Trusty brings a candid, layered, and deeply necessary conversation about identity, belonging, and why representation without inclusion is just window dressing.
She's worn many names and even more hats: teacher, coach, doctoral student, and now nonprofit founder. In this episode, she gets raw about what it really means to show up fully in spaces that weren't built for you, including what happened when Black leadership asked her to strip her classroom of its Blackness. From growing up in Far Rockaway, Queens, to teaching seventh graders in Baltimore and Louisiana, Nye's journey through education is one of resilience, demoralization, and ultimately, radical reinvention.
She opens up about the moment she knew it was time to leave the classroom, not because she stopped loving her students, but because the system had worn her down to the point where she had nothing left to fight with. And she's honest about something the education world doesn't like to say out loud: sharing a skin tone doesn't mean sharing a vision. Black leadership can cause harm too, and pretending otherwise puts Black educators at risk.
Now, through her nonprofit, The TitheWell, and their groundbreaking Tubman Project, a global fellowship that takes Black educational leaders to Ghana, Nye is building the spaces she never had.

The Tax We Pay with Kelly Mitchell

Tue, 31 Mar 2026 14:24:00 GMT

Kelly Mitchell's journey through education is a crash course in recognizing when systems are working exactly as designed...not for us. From stumbling into teaching via Craigslist after the 2009 recession, to middle school math teacher, to high school dean managing 350 students, to state workforce development, Kelly kept asking, "Who can fix this?" only to realize the system kept saying, "Not us."

Kelly's revelation: education's recruitment problem isn't about signing bonuses, it's asking Black people to return to systems that actively harmed them their entire childhood. The retention problem? Leaders who laugh off racism when test scores are good, colleagues who outsource racial incidents to the "Black representative," and the invisible tax of carrying everyone else's learning curve.

Now running Inclusive Design Group and pursuing her PhD, Kelly's done the full bingo card: classroom, admin, state, nonprofit. Her conclusion? The answer was never in climbing higher within broken systems; it's in collective power, teaching local Black histories, and helping our people understand the systems of oppression to reclaim what's ours.

A Love Letter to the Bronx with Kai-Ama Hamer

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 13:10:00 GMT

Kai Hamer's journey from aspiring rapper to special education teacher to parent engagement director is a love letter to the Bronx. Starting in shelters and after-school programs, she spent 10+ years teaching in her own neighborhood, collecting kids from behind soda machines, visiting grandmothers who couldn't leave home, and fighting for students whose gifts didn't show up on standardized tests. But when colleagues went to the principal instead of coming to her about her social media post on police brutality, she realized some teachers couldn't truly love the Black children they taught. She left the classroom to train educators in what she never got: real support for building authentic relationships with families. Her mission now? Help teachers get free, because you can't pour into kids when your own cup is dry.

Hustle, Heart & HBCU Love with Latoya Turner

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 07:37:18 GMT

This conversation is a testament to how classroom teaching can birth movements that extend far beyond what we could ever imagine.
In this episode, Dr. Asia sits down with Latoya Turner, M.A., a Detroit-born educator, author, and filmmaker who spent 13 years in the classroom before pivoting to create Brown Hands Literacy, a nonprofit dedicated to educating children about HBCUs through books, films, and community events.
LaToya shares her journey from a high school cadet teaching program to teaching across Detroit, Maryland, and Cincinnati, where she discovered her passion for literacy and began writing children's books during lunch breaks and planning periods. She opens up about the pull of family that moved her from city to city, the birth of her son August (now a published author himself), and how she coached 90 Black men ages 18-24 through the Leading Men Fellowship program, planting seeds of literacy that will impact generations.
From turning her book "Brown Hands, Black Schools: HBCUs" into an animated film featured at the Essence Film Festival, to being inducted into Central State University's Alumni Achievement Hall of Fame, LaToya embodies the Detroit hustle culture while centering community care. She discusses the challenges of retaining Black educators, the importance of creativity in the classroom, and what wellness looks like as a full-time entrepreneur and mother.

The Only One At The Table With Monika Robinson

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 08:00:16 GMT

What does it mean to be the only Black teacher at the table year after year?

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Monika Robinson, a former public school teacher, instructional coach, nonprofit leader, and founder of Reparations Ed, to unpack the quiet isolation many Black educators experience in predominantly white and suburban school systems.

For six years, Monika was the only Black teacher in her building. While she describes her experience as not bad, she also names the subtle but persistent exclusion of being left out of informal gatherings, navigating leadership roles without support, and carrying the weight of representation alone. Her story highlights how school isolation is often normalized, minimized, or dismissed even when it impacts retention and wellness.

The Cost of Perfect Attendance with Whitney Tolliver

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 08:30:00 GMT

This episode with Whitney Tolliver is essential listening for educators at any stage of their career, administrators who wonder why they can't retain staff, and anyone who's ever sacrificed their well-being for a job that demands perfection over presence.
In this powerful episode of the Exit interview, Whitney shares her journey from enthusiastic first-grade teacher to assistant principal and ultimately, to leaving education altogether to prioritize her wellness. Whitney opens up about the toxic workplace culture she encountered early in her career, including a principal who demanded perfect attendance even after losing both parents, and how that mentality permeated her entire educational experience.
Now the founder of The Teacher Retreat, a nonprofit dedicated to educator wellness, and All Things Well Collective, Whitney is on a mission to help educators understand that self-care isn't just spa days and massages, it's moisturizing your whole body, drinking water, and learning to rest without guilt. She challenges school districts to move beyond professional development and invest in human development, reminding us that we can't check our humanity at the classroom door.

Setting Boundaries, Finding Healing with Khiara "Mills" Mills

Tue, 23 Dec 2025 07:01:06 GMT

In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons interviews Khiara Mills Mills, a licensed therapist and former school counselor, about her journey through education, mental health, and personal growth. Mills shares how setting boundaries became a cornerstone of her healing, both professionally and personally. She discusses the challenges of working in behavioral schools, the importance of self-care and core values, and how grief and resilience shaped her path. Listeners will gain practical insights on wellness, the power of boundaries, and supporting Black educators in schools.

Calling On Ancestral Wisdom with Dr. Jeanine L. Williams

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 10:55:00 GMT

In this episode, Dr. Asia welcomes Jeanine L. Williams, PhD, a retired educator turned ancestral medicine woman, for a powerful conversation about liberation, sovereignty, and healing beyond academia. Dr. Williams shares her journey through higher education, the challenges of navigating oppressive systems, and the importance of community care and ancestral wisdom.

Together, they discuss the need for Black educators to reclaim their wholeness, set boundaries, and embrace self-care.
The episode offers inspiration and practical advice for anyone seeking healing, empowerment, and a deeper connection to their roots.

When Silence Is Violence with Kamye Hugley

Wed, 26 Nov 2025 02:08:00 GMT

In this episode, I sit down with educator and bibliophile Kamye Hugley to explore what happens when Black women in education refuse to stay quiet in the face of harm.
Kamye traces her journey from her grandmothers urging to be a teacher, to a Teach For America placement that threw her from third grade to Head Start mid-year, to a Head Start classroom tucked in a portable with coyotes underneath and systems that treated early childhood like babysitting instead of brain-building.
She shares the heartbreak of referring students for support only to be ignored, the letter she wrote to a district leader that quietly shifted hiring practices, and her time teaching high school intensive reading, where one administrators careless comment about test scores pushed seniors out of school entirely.
Together, Kamye and I discuss how these moments accumulate as racial battle fatigue and weathering and why, for Kamye, remaining silent feels like violence against herself. This episode invites listeners to consider: What does it mean to protect your wellness and still tell the truth about the systems harming you and your students?

Black Educator Wellness & The Cost of Leadership with Dr. Ashlee Saddler, MSW

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:01:18 GMT

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Ashlee Saddler shares her journey from mental health professional to educational leader, and the unique challenges she faced as a Black woman in predominantly white school systems. Dr. Saddler opens up about the emotional and physical toll of leadership, including her battle with breast cancera diagnosis she links to the relentless stress and self-sacrifice demanded of Black educators.

Through candid storytelling, Dr. Saddler and host Dr. Asia discuss the systemic barriers, microaggressions, and expectations placed on Black women in education, as well as the importance of community, self-advocacy, and wellness. Listeners will hear about the power of mentorship, the necessity of setting boundaries, and the ongoing fight for equity and recognition in schools.

This episode is both a testimony and a call to action: to honor the lived experiences of Black educators, to believe their stories, and to create spaces where they can thrivenot just survive. Whether youre an educator, leader, or ally, Dr. Saddlers insights will inspire you to reflect on your own wellness and the systems we must change together.

When We Believe In Black Children with Whitney Redd

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 07:57:03 GMT

In this impactful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Oakland educator Whitney Redd discusses how her experience in after-school programs, youth shelters, and mental health settings has shaped her approach to teachingcombining heart, structure, and intentionality. After being diagnosed with ADHD, Whitney redefined discipline as creating joyful structure, fostering a classroom environment built on positive reinforcement, trust, and student voice. As a teacher, I already have power, she states. I dont need to enforce it, I need to build it." Whitney openly shares her experiences leading a third-grade class of 39 students, tackling systemic inequities, and addressing the emotional challenges faced by Black teachers expected to do it all. Despite these challenges, her story is filled with joy, humor, and a fierce dedication to her students brilliance. Through Thee Redd Method, Whitney now helps other educators balance accountability with compassion and data with care. Her story emphasizes that true liberation in the classroom begins when educators embrace curiosity over control, and when Black joy becomes the foundation rather than a reward.

How Radical Self-Care Saved Me with Dr. Franita Ware

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 15:58:00 GMT

In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia sits down with Dr. Franita Nita Ware, educator, author, and the brilliant mind behind Warm Demander Teachers. Together, they trace Dr. Wares unexpected journey from substitute teacher to scholar, exploring the purpose, joy, and community that fueled her path.

Dr. Ware shares how being invited into education changed her life, the lessons she learned teaching at Spelman College, and the challenges she faced as a Black woman principal navigating racialized experiences in Denver. She opens up about the trauma of pushout, her path to healing, and how she transformed her recovery into the powerful professional development series Radical Self-Carea framework that helps educators reconnect to themselves, rewire their brains for wellness, and reclaim joy in the classroom.

Listeners will gain insight into the warm demander teaching approachbalancing care with high expectationsand how schools can cultivate cultures rooted in authenticity, rest, and community. With humor, honesty, and deep wisdom, Dr. Ware reminds us that before teachers can pour into others, they must first pour into themselves.

Key themes: warm demander teaching, radical self-care, educator wellness, racial battle fatigue, culturally responsive practice, Black educator leadership, and community healing.

The Grief of Leaving, the Liberation of Becoming with Candice Renee Person

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 09:33:07 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia sits down with Candice Renee Person, a 20-year veteran educator, organizer, writer, and soon-to-be digital nomad. Candice shares a deeply layered journey that spans classrooms in New York City, Massachusetts, Kentucky, Virginia, and beyondeach chapter shaped by resilience, grief, discovery, and a fierce commitment to both education and community.

Candice opens up about her unexpected entry into teaching through the New York City Teaching Fellows program and the steep learning curve of working in special education without adequate preparation or support. She reflects on the vital mentors and assistants who kept her grounded during her toughest first years and how family circumstances, especially the loss of her mother, shaped major moves in her career.

Listeners are taken inside her experiences teaching in challenging special education settings, including building a thriving, joyful classroom in an autism unit that had once been unsafe and chaotic. She speaks candidly about being treated like a pawn within school systems, constantly shuffled between placements, and what that revealed about how little care is often given to educators humanity.

Her story expands beyond teaching, highlighting her time as a writer in an MFA program, where summers abroad in Argentina, Italy, Paris, and Ireland rekindled creativity and reminded her of the importance of honoring multiple passions. She explores the challenges and beauty of raising her children while teaching, and the ways motherhood informed her approach to education.

Back in Massachusetts, Candice delved deeply into anti-racism and equity work, helping transform a local charter school into a space where community partnerships, storytelling, and racial justice were at the center. She describes the excitement of creating community walks, affinity groups, and equity-driven professional development, as well as the heartbreak of eventually facing gaslighting, pushback, and grief as the organization shifted away from its initial commitments.

Today, Candice has found joy in new forms of teaching. She adjuncts at the college level, runs her own business, The Edu Tutor Hub, and is preparing for her next adventure: a digital nomad lifestyle with her children, which will begin in Mexico. She reflects on what wellness means to her, emphasizing the importance of therapy, authenticity, exploration, and honoring her whole self, and offers a powerful reminder that Black educators are multifaceted individuals whose gifts deserve to flourish both within and outside the classroom.

This conversation is rich with lessons about perseverance, grief and healing, the power of community schools, and the possibilities that open when educators permit themselves to imagine more.

Degrees, Detours and the Common Good with Dr. Lance Bennett

Tue, 16 Sep 2025 07:42:18 GMT

From publish or perish to learn to liberate, Dr. Lance Bennett shares how he reimagined higher ed to serve actual people. We unpack the community care roots of his model (yes, the Black church is a blueprint), the role of therapy and mentorship in big career shifts, and why being well can mean picking Option B or C over the plan you wrote. Come for the origin story of The Peoples Institute for the Common Good; stay for the reminder that joy and learning dont need permission.

A Disruptor's Journey Through Education with Aurelius Raines II

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:08:00 GMT

What happens when the bad kid becomes the kind of educator the system never saw coming? In this episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia sits down with Aurelius Raines II, whose unorthodox path into education began not with a degree, but with curiosity, care, and disruption. From aftercare teacher to museum-based innovator, Aurelius shares how his early struggles with school shaped his radical approach to teachingand why his students thrive because of it. Together, they unpack what it means to teach without permission, learn outside the lines, and reimagine what a science education can look like when rooted in joy, justice, and relevance.

For the Kids, Not the System with Akil Parker

Wed, 09 Jul 2025 00:46:00 GMT

What does it cost to teach with integrity in a system that demands your silence? In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Akil Parkera former finance major turned math educator, tutor, and founder of All This Mathto explore his 20-year journey through classrooms, charter schools, and community spaces. Akil shares honest reflections on being pushed out of schools for challenging harmful norms, the emotional toll of being separated from students he deeply cared about, and the moment he realized he was no longer working for the systembut for the kids.

From surviving toxic school cultures to creating culturally rooted math content for families, Akils story is both a warning and a call to action. Whether you're a Black educator facing similar challenges or someone interested in true retention, this episode is a raw reminder: real education centers the child, not the institution.

The Price of Being Passionate with Dr. Mary Hemphill

Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:00:16 GMT

This episode is a masterclass in reclaiming purpose, honoring your calling, and choosing wholeness over hustle. If youve ever been called too much for simply doing whats rightthis one is for you.

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with transformational leader Dr. Mary Hemphill for a powerful conversation about the cost of caring deeply inside systems that werent built for us. From returning to teach in her childhood classroom to leading statewide academic reform, Dr. Hemphill shares how purpose, pressure, and policy collided in her journeyand how her exit became a path to liberation.

Together, they explore:

The tension between being vigilant and being labeled a vigilante
Why transformational Black educators are often placed in the most broken schools
How systemic neglect and adult complicity show up in schools (especially for Black boys)
The challenge of leading with vision when the system prefers silence
What wellness actually looks like for Black women leaders in education

Reclaiming Rest & Thriving Beyond Burnout with Amanda Miller Littlejohn

Tue, 10 Jun 2025 15:37:00 GMT

This episode challenges us to reflect: What traits define us? Who are we outside of productivity?

In this deeply affirming conversation, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Amanda Miller Littlejohnexecutive coach, journalist, and author of The Rest Revolutionto unpack burnout, identity, and the systems that pressure Black educators to overperform at the expense of their wellness. Together, they explore how the culture of overachievement, often masked as Black excellence, can be a trauma response, and why rest is personal and political.

Amanda shares her story of hitting a wall during the pandemic, discovering that when her creativity disappeared, it was her bodys cry for help. With heartfelt wisdom, Amanda urges educators to reconnect with what brings them joy, pursue radical self-knowledge, and lean into community care as a form of wealth and resilience.

Whether you're an educator on the brink or an ally seeking to support Black professionals, this episode is a powerful reminder: we dont have to earn our restwe were always worthy of it.

The Cost of Reform and the Power of Community with Representative Jennifer Bacon

Tue, 27 May 2025 17:15:00 GMT

What happens when a Black educator survives a natural disaster, a political awakening, and a broken school systemall in the same year?

In this deeply moving episode of The Exit Interview, Colorado State Representative Jennifer Bacon recounts how her early teaching career in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina became a catalyst for her journey into law, education reform, and public service. Reflecting on her experience as a young Black educator with Teach For America, she vividly recalls the chaos and trauma of evacuating during the storm, witnessing the devastation, and volunteering at a Red Cross shelterwhere she saw her students arrive with little more than plastic bags of belongings.

Jennifer shares the inequities she witnessed in the aftermath, including the erasure of Black educators, the rise of charter schools, and the criminalization of Black youthall of which shaped her understanding of systemic racism in education. Her reflections unpack the historical and political roots of educational injustice, from the collapse of the Orleans Parish school system to the national charter school movement. She explains how these experiences fueled her decision to attend law school, organize against the school-to-prison pipeline, and eventually serve in elected office.

Now a key voice in Colorado education policy, Bacon discusses current challenges like the states school funding crisis, the importance of mandating financial literacy courses, and the urgent need for Black teacher recruitment and retention. The episode ends with a raw and heartfelt meditation on rest, resilience, and the moral obligation to fight for systems that truly care for Black children and communities.

Youth at the Core with Joy Delizo-Osborne Live at SXSWEDU 2025

Tue, 13 May 2025 10:00:07 GMT

What happens when you're doing everythingleading a school, serving your community, answering the phones, teaching mathand still feel like you're drowning? In this Exit Interview live show, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Joy Delizo-Osborne, who shares the real reason she left her role as a founding principal: her doctor said quit, and her wife offered her a puppy if she finally did.

This conversation is not a highlight reel. It's a deeply human exploration of what it costs to stay in systems that praise your sacrifice but ignore your spirit. Joy reflects on burnout, Black womens addiction to care, and how hard it is to believe the job isn't your identity. She also offers a glimpse into her nowas CEO of Student Achievement Partnerswhere shes rewriting the rules of leadership, bringing equity and literacy into the same sentence, and finally choosing joy (and dogs).

If youve ever felt pulled between purpose and survival, this episode is your mirror and your permission slip.

Liberation As A Non-Negotiable with Jamilah Pitts

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 12:05:11 GMT

What happens when an educator's deep love for liberation collides with the realities of traditional schooling?
In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jamilah Pittseducator, author, yoga teacher, and founder of She Imprintsto explore her journey through the education system and beyond. Jamilah shares how her childhood experiences with Black women teachers inspired her dream to teach, and how her international work, from Boston to the Dominican Republic to India, shaped her vision of education as a tool for healing and activism. She opens up about the emotional toll of navigating toxic school environments, the complexities of internalized racism among leadership, and the moment she chose her own wellness over a broken system. Throughout the conversation, Jamilah offers a deep call to center healing in our schools, reimagine leadership, and honor the full humanity of educators.

Boundaries, Burnout and Black Educator Wellness with Josephine Ampaw-Greene

Sun, 13 Apr 2025 18:33:00 GMT

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Josephine Ampaw-Greene a licensed family therapist and former educatorto explore what it truly means to sustain wellness while navigating the demands of education and racial battle fatigue. Josephine shares her unique journey from paraeducator to residential school teacher to therapist and business owner. She opens up about the importance of pausing, setting boundaries, embracing joy, and why "being well means not pretending to be well."

Together, they unpack how career identity intersects with self-worth, how to support educators experiencing racism-related stress, and what families can do to create restorative spaces for their loved ones working in schools.

Key Topics Covered:

How to decide how much of your identity belongs to your career
Creating trauma-informed practices that center joy and authenticity
The impact of racism-related stress on educators and their families
The role of community and family in educator wellness
Practical regulation tools for teachers, like the ice cube trick
How Josephine builds a teaching practice that launches therapists of color
Why leaving education isnt a failureits a transition toward wholeness

Finding Identity and Building Community with Jenna Greenwood

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

In this special episode recorded live at Quince Coffee House, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jenna Greenwood to explore her inspiring journey of self-discovery, family legacy, and finding community beyond traditional educational spaces. Jenna shares stories about growing up influenced by her grandmother, Marie Greenwood, Denvers first Black tenured teacher, and navigating her own complex identity within predominantly white educational institutions. She also provides invaluable insights into understanding college affordability and scholarships, leveraging her expertise in financial aid to empower students and their families. Finally, Jenna discusses the critical importance of wellness, mindfulness, and creating affirming spaces like Quince Coffee House, a business she co-owns that serves as a vibrant community hub.

Breaking Barriers in Special Education with Jason B. Allen

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 10:00:08 GMT

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, host Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jason B. Alleneducator, activist, and policy advocateto discuss the systemic barriers Black students and educators face in traditional school systems.

Jason shares his personal journey from school administrator to special education teacher, revealing how he fought against discriminatory practices that misplace Black students into special education programs without proper support. He details how systemic racism influences school discipline policies, the struggles of Black educators navigating certification roadblocks, and the larger implications of anti-Black policies in education.

Jason also discusses his transition from the classroom to education policy work, emphasizing the need for community-driven solutions, Black educator retention, and the importance of dismantling the school-to-prison pipeline. This episode is a must-listen for anyone invested in educational equity, policy reform, and the fight to create spaces where Black educators and students can thrive.

On Co-Teaching, Rest, and Black Educator Retention with Keisha Rembert

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 18:41:00 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with award-winning educator and advocate Keisha Rembert to discuss her journey in education, the challenges Black educators face, and the importance of racial literacy, affinity spaces, and wellness.

Keisha reflects on her 17-year career as a middle school educator, emphasizing how she initially resisted entering the profession. Coming from a lineage of Black educators, she found herself drawn into teaching after a series of experiences, including substitute teaching, which led her to recognize her passion for learning and co-teaching with students. She shares how her students played an integral role in shaping the curriculum, a strategy that strengthened engagement and student agency.

Beyond the Principal's Office: Finding New Ways to Serve with Dr. Adrienne Davenport

Tue, 18 Feb 2025 13:15:10 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Dr. Adrienne Davenport, a veteran educator, administrator, and author, to talk about career transitions, leadership, and the realities of being a Black educator.

Dr. Davenport shares how she unexpectedly entered the field of education, her journey from teacher to administrator, and why she made the bold decision to leave her role as a principaleven before knowing what was next. She reflects on what schools need to do to attract, support, and retain Black educators, the importance of instructional leadership, and why stepping outside of your comfort zone is the key to growth.

If youre an educator thinking about making a shift, an aspiring leader, or just someone who needs a reminder that faith, preparation, and trusting your instincts matter, this episode is for you.

What Youll Hear in This Episode:

[00:02:00] Dr. Davenports unexpected journey into education and how she pivoted from a legal career to teaching
[00:05:00] Navigating family and community expectations when making a career switch
[00:08:00] Teaching middle school: Why eighth graders were her favorite students
[00:15:45] "If you want something, you have to go out and get it." The importance of career growth and leadership development
[00:16:45] "When you get too comfortable, you dont grow." Why taking risks in your career is necessary
[00:24:45] "I didnt know what was next, but this wasnt it." Walking away from a leadership role without a set plan
[00:33:45] The role of Black educators as ambassadors for the profession
[00:37:00] Barriers to entering education: cost, licensing exams, and lack of support
[00:43:15] "You cannot be afraid of instruction." The key to effective school leadership
[00:50:45] "None of us have arrived. Every morning we get another opportunity." Finding wellness, peace, and purpose in education

Quotes Worth Sharing:

"We have to be good ambassadors of our profession."
"Nothing ventured, nothing gained!"
"You dont need all the answersyou just need to know when something isnt right."
"Leaving my principal role wasnt leaving the missionit was expanding it."

Connect with Dr. Adrienne Davenport:

Website: drdconsulting.org
Email: drdconsulting407@gmail.com
LinkedIn: Dr. Adrienne Davenport
Instagram: @DrDavenportEd
Books:

My Hope Is Built: Reflections of Faith, Grace, and Resilience from an Educational Leader
STAND: Five Powerful Strategies for Overcoming Barriers to Becoming an Instructional Leader

Resources & Mentions in This Episode:

National Alliance of Black School Educators (NABSE)
The Exit Interview Podcast Website

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Achievement Addiction and the Quest for Wellness with Najmah Ahmad

Mon, 03 Feb 2025 20:13:00 GMT

In this powerful and reflective episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Najmah Ahmad to discuss her nearly 20-year journey through education, from working in nonprofits and higher education to leadership roles in school districts and national policy. Najmah candidly shares her experiences navigating systemic challenges, microaggressions, and the often overwhelming toll of racial battle fatigue.

Listeners will hear how Najmahs desire to support people in moments of transition shaped her career and led her to create transformative programs for young people, such as leadership curriculums and paid internships. She also opens up about the pivotal moment when her physical health forced her to confront the toll her work was taking on her mind, body, and spirit, leading to her decision to leave traditional education spaces and build her own consulting business.

This episode explores themes of wellness, self-liberation, and the importance of acknowledging the impact of systemic racism in professional spaces. Najmahs story is a testament to resilience, healing, and the power of creating your own path to freedom.

In the Pursuit of Impact with Dr. Damia Thomas

Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:00:01 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' host Dr. Asia Lyons welcomes Dr. Damia Thomas, who brings over two decades of experience in urban education. They discuss retention challenges in education, emphasizing the importance of work environment, culture, and kindness over monetary incentives. Dr. Thomas shares her journey from starting as a teacher to becoming a school principal and author and founding her consultancy. She highlights her experiences in transforming school cultures, working in predominantly Black communities, and the critical role of leadership. Dr. Thomas provides actionable insights on establishing consistency, leveraging leadership teams, and creating values-based systems to promote teacher retention and well-being.

00:00 Introduction to Retention Challenges

00:43 Welcome to The Exit Interview Podcast

01:37 Introducing Dr. Demia Thomas

03:51 Dr. Thomas' Journey in Education

04:59 Experiences in Urban Education

12:09 Leadership and Principalship

23:00 Founding an All-Girls School

27:22 Closing Ceremony Reflections

28:05 Challenges and Changes in Leadership

30:59 Navigating Racial Dynamics

34:00 Realizing the Need for Change

37:29 Transition to Consulting

45:01 Shoutouts and Current Work

47:15 Supporting School Leaders

52:30 Final Thoughts and Wellness

What It Means To Be Well with Dr. Shawn Ginwright

Mon, 06 Jan 2025 11:30:11 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons and guest host Stacey Taylor Brandon welcome Dr. Shawn Ginwright, a thought leader in education and youth development. Dr. Ginwright discusses his revolutionary concept of healing-centered engagement and the importance of self-reflection for Black educators dealing with racial battle fatigue and systemic oppression. Emphasizing the need for self-care and community healing, he shares insights from his acclaimed book, 'The Four Pivots.' He highlights practical steps leaders can take to foster wellness in educational spaces. Dr. Ginwright also underscores the vital role of Black women in caregiving, the necessity of establishing sanctuary spaces, and the importance of giving from one's excess rather than essence. Throughout the episode, the conversation delves into personal narratives, systemic challenges, and actionable strategies for integrating wellness practices into everyday life and professional settings.

P.S. The Exit Interview will record a live episode with Joy Delizo-Osborne at SXSW EDU 2025 on March 5th! Hope to see you there!

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:36 Meet the Guest Host: Stacey Taylor Brandon

01:30 Introducing Dr. Sean Genwright

01:43 Dr. Genwright's Work and Contributions

03:23 Welcome Dr. Genwright to the Podcast

04:39 The Importance of Self-Reflection

05:22 Racial Battle Fatigue and Healing

11:03 Balancing Care and Self-Wellness

21:32 A New Perspective on Motherhood

21:59 The Impact of Stress on Health

23:22 Applying the Four Pivots in Education

25:12 Personal Development for Leaders

26:52 Building Supportive Systems

31:48 Shoutouts and Acknowledgements

34:45 The Importance of Self-Care

40:16 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude

Taking Care and Moving Forward with Dr. LaShaune Stitt

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 11:00:29 GMT

When the school nurse has to check your blood pressure three times, you know you're in trouble. In this episode of the 'Exit Interview' podcast, I archive the story of Dr. LaShaune Stitt. Dr. Stitt recounts her journey from childhood dreams of teaching to pioneering spaces for young men of Color, and the community-centered approaches that defined her work. Amidst these achievements, she opens up about the health crises and systemic challenges that led her to leave formal education. Our discussion touches on the critical support from women in her professional community, her experiences with racial battle fatigue, and the vital importance of therapy and self-care for Black educators. We delve into the significance of culturally responsive teaching environments and Dr. Stitt's current consulting work, emphasizing the broad, impactful ways educators can contribute to their communities beyond traditional classroom roles.

00:00 Welcome and Milestones

00:57 Introducing Dr. LaShaune Stitt

02:25 Dr. Stitt's Journey into Education

06:23 Founding an All-Male School

08:46 Challenges and Leadership in Education

18:24 Health and Well-being in Education

26:56 The Struggles of Educators

29:12 The Principal's Secret

32:06 The Breaking Point

36:04 A New Beginning

39:12 Shoutouts and Gratitude

41:44 Current Endeavors

48:04 Defining Wellbeing

52:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Worthy of Rest with Octavia Raheem

Thu, 07 Nov 2024 14:17:00 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview, host Dr. Asia Lyons engages in a deep conversation with Octavia Raheem about the transformative power of rest. Octavia Raheem, an accomplished author, rest restorative coach, and former public school teacher, shares her journey from traditional education to becoming a leader in wellness and restorative practices. The discussion explores the importance of rest for Black educators, the systemic challenges they face, and the necessity of self-care. Raheem passionately discusses the interplay between creativity, rest, and holistic well-being, offering practical steps for educators to integrate rest into their lives. Make sure to order her new book, Rest Is Sacred: Reclaiming Our Brilliance Through the Practice of Stillness.

Learning to Relearn with Kwame Sarfo-Mensah

Fri, 25 Oct 2024 13:35:00 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons interviews Kwame Sarfo-Mensah and discusses his transformative journey from aspiring professional athlete to dedicated educator. Kwame discusses his initial pivot to becoming a math teacher and the various challenges he faced in his early teaching years, including a lack of support and job security in Philadelphia charter schools. Moving to Boston, he navigated the complexities of unionized school districts, ultimately learning the importance of self-care to avoid burnout and racial battle fatigue. This episode highlights systemic issues in education, such as the exploitation of committed Black educators and the importance of acknowledging their experiences. Reflecting on his time in Philadelphia, Kwame emphasizes the need for better support systems and career pathways for Black educators. His journey extends internationally as he moves to Sierra Leone, initiating the 'Identity Talk for Educators Live' podcast and authoring 'Learn to Relearn.'

Advocating for Better Mental Health with Shatiera Porte'e

Tue, 08 Oct 2024 11:19:05 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview, a podcast for Black educators,' Dr. Asia Lyons hosts Shatiera Porte'e, a school counselor, author, coach and education consultant. Shatiera shares her experiences working tirelessly in education during the COVID pandemic, reflecting on the challenging conditions that led to burnout and her decision to leave traditional education spaces. The discussion highlights the systemic issues Black educators face, such as overwork and lack of compensation, and underscores the need for mental health support within the education system. Shatiera talks about her current role as the founder of 'School Counselors on Wheels,' where she mentors students and educators, emphasizing mental wellness in education. She also introduces her self-help book 'I Forgive Myself for Forgetting Myself,' which aims to promote self-care among service professionals. Throughout the episode, Shatiera pays tribute to influential Black educators who impacted her life, expressing gratitude and reflecting on her journey toward balancing personal wellness and professional aspirations.

Lessons In Liberation with Sarah Graham

Tue, 24 Sep 2024 17:37:00 GMT

In this deeply engaging episode, Dr. Asia Lyons and Sarah Graham discuss the highs and lows of teaching, the systemic issues within public and charter schools, and the importance of culturally responsive and liberatory education. Sarah shares her personal journey, insights into creating inclusive curriculum, and the urgent need for rest and self-care. This episode is a must-listen for educators and anyone interested in the fight for educational equity.

Centered in Love with Julia Berry

Mon, 09 Sep 2024 10:21:20 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview, hosted by Dr. Asia Lyons, Julia Berry shares her transformative journey from wanting to be a teacher, doctor, and dancer as a child to becoming an educator focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Julia outlines her path from excelling in math and engineering, realizing her passion for teaching, to teaching youth in correctional and treatment facilities. She discusses the challenges she faced with leadership due to her bold approach to DEI work. Julia touches upon the impact of race and supremacy on educational settings and emphasizes the importance of leadership involvement in DEI efforts. After leaving several roles due to systemic resistance to change, she finally finds alignment with her values at a community-based organization rooted in ancient African philosophy. The conversation delves into the personal and professional grief Julia encountered, her methods of self-care, and the joy she finds in her children, gardening, and yoga practice.

(Re)defining Me with Langston Jacobs

Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:47:00 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia hosts Langston Jacobs, a Black male educator who shares his journey and the challenges he faced as a dean of culture in a charter school. Langston discusses his strategies for creating a supportive school environment, the impact of his role on his own mental and physical health, and the significant effects on his family. He reveals how he redefined his approach to leadership and discipline, emphasizing the importance of empathy and community. Langston also highlights the broader systemic issues in education, including the need for mentorship and culturally relevant teaching. Now co-founder and director of men and youth programs at Adams Purpose, Langston continues to support and heal communities through various therapeutic services.

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Healing From Racial Fatigue with Jason Shankle

Tue, 13 Aug 2024 11:15:24 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' host Dr. Asia Lyons talks with therapist and researcher Jason Shankle about the importance of creating sacred spaces and emotional boundaries, particularly for Black educators facing racial battle fatigue. Jason shares his journey in education and psychology, and offers practical strategies for coping with racial battle fatigue. The conversation delves into the significance of rituals, the value of Black therapists, and the need for intentional self-care practices. Jason underscores the importance of not trying to change toxic work environments but rather focusing on personal healing and maintaining emotional equity.

Episode 49: Redefining Education and Black Excellence with Asha von Liebtag

Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:00:00 GMT

In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons hosts Asha von Liebtug, an inspiring educator from New Jersey, who shares her journey from student to teacher and beyond. Asha delves into the impact of her grandmother's influence, her teaching experiences in various educational settings, and her passion for curriculum development. She emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and holistic education, while also addressing the systemic challenges faced by Black educators. Tune in to gain insights on educational equity, teacher retention, and personal growth.

Episode 48: Saying Yes Despite the Odds with Dr. Adrienne Smith

Tue, 16 Jul 2024 11:00:00 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview' podcast, hosted by Dr. Asia Lyons, Dr. Adrienne Smith shares her compelling journey as a Black educator. From humble beginnings working in fast food to overcoming hurdles in her pursuit of higher education, Dr. Smith details her experiences teaching in diverse environments, including Alaska. She highlights the importance of cultural competency, listening to Black and brown voices, and her transition to founding Adrienne's Educational Consulting Firm. The episode also delves into navigating toxic work cultures, the impact of COVID-19 on mental health, and the significance of family and community support.

Episode 47: Changing The Way We Perceive Early Childhood Educators with Brittney Carey

Tue, 02 Jul 2024 10:00:00 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' hosts Dr. Asia Lyons delves into the often-overlooked aspects of early childhood education with guest Brittney Carey. We discuss the crucial role of early education, the challenges Black educators face in ECE, and the systemic issues that affect the retention of dedicated teachers in this field. Brittney shares her journey into education, insightful experiences in the classroom, and the harsh realities that led her to transition out of a traditional teaching environment. The conversation covers advocacy for early childhood education, systemic barriers, and the importance of creating inclusive educational spaces. Join us for an insightful discussion on the importance of early childhood education as a respected profession and the need for systemic change.

Episode 46: Our Black Educators and Students Deserve Better with Vanity Jenkins

Tue, 18 Jun 2024 10:00:00 GMT

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' I sit down with Vanity Jenkins, a dedicated educator and advocate for culturally relevant pedagogy. We dive into Vanity's journey from sports management to education, her experiences teaching in the Mississippi Delta, the challenges Black educators face, and the importance of historical context and systemic changes in education. Vanity shares invaluable insights into improving teacher retention, the impact of integration policies, and the critical role of parent and student voices in schools.

Episode 45: Restoring My Identity As An Educator Through Afrofuturism with Sherinda Bryant

Tue, 04 Jun 2024 11:00:00 GMT

In this episode, of the Exit Interview, host Dr. Asia Lyons speaks with Sherinda Bryant, a former educator, about her journey and experiences in the field and love for Afrofuturism. They delve into the challenges faced by Black educators, the need for supporting Black students, and the creation of Bryant's Afrofuturism Discovery Academy. The conversation highlights the emotional and systemic hurdles in education, as well as innovative approaches to culturally responsive teaching and identity development.

Episode 44: Black Educators Organizing Against Anti-Blackness with Jalisa Evans

Tue, 21 May 2024 11:00:00 GMT

This episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators takes a deep dive into the rarely discussed aspect of educator retention, specifically focusing on the Black educators who leave traditional education spaces. Featuring Jalisa Evans, a former teacher turned advocate, this powerful discussion uncovers the challenges, systemic issues, and personal stories behind Black educators' decisions to leave. Through Jalisa's journey from a teacher to a founder of the Black Educator Advocates Network, listeners are presented with both sobering realities and inspiring actions for change. The conversation pivots around anti-blackness in education, the significance of community, and the crucial role of Black educators in students' lives.

Episode 43: For the Love of Black Women with Stacey Taylor-Brandon

Tue, 14 May 2024 11:00:00 GMT

In celebration of Mental Health Month, Stacey Taylor-Brandon is back on The Exit Interview to talk about how her work supporting mature Black women was birthed out of her own desire to heal from the racism-related stress and racial battle fatigue she experienced as administrator and social worker in a Denver Area School District. Listen as she discusses ways that you can work toward your own healing and move forward to new spaces in your life without the guilt Black women are often burdened with.

Episode 42: Revolutionizing Education for Our Children with Benita Gordon

Tue, 07 May 2024 11:00:00 GMT

Join us in this insightful episode of 'The Exit Interview' as we welcome Benita Gordon, a passionate educational advocate. In a candid discussion with Dr. Asia, Benita shares her journey from considering a career outside of education to embracing her calling as a teacher influenced by her family's legacy in teaching and the transformational impact of Black educators. Explored through her experiences and initiatives, this episode delves into the challenges and triumphs of Black educators, the importance of mentorship, and the creation of supportive and inclusive educational environments. Benita also discusses her involvement in innovative educational projects and the power of community support in shaping the future of education. Tune in to be inspired by Benita's dedication to making a difference in the lives of students and educators alike.

Episode 41: Saying No To Imposter Syndrome with Brittany Dawson

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:43:02 GMT

In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons interviews Brittany Dawson, discussing the pivotal moments that led Brittany from the classroom to becoming a leadership coach. They explore the challenges faced by Black educators, the emotional and financial hurdles in the teaching profession, and the transformative decision to leave traditional teaching roles. Brittany shares her personal journey, offering insights into her initial attraction to education, the realities of working within public and charter school systems, and finally transitioning to a coaching role that aligns with her passion for making an impact beyond the classroom walls.

Episode 40: The Power of Community with Elia Martin

Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:00:00 GMT

In this inspiring episode of The Exit Interview, we have the privilege of hearing from Elia Martin, a former educator and social worker turned grant manager, who shares her transformative journey through education, social work, and beyond. Elia's story takes us from her initial dreams of becoming a dentist to finding her true calling in supporting youth and families, mostly in Black communities. She discusses the challenges and motivations behind her career shifts, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, the impact of leadership changes, and the quest for better opportunities. Elia also delves into her current pursuits, including her work in grant management and her passion project, the Mommyana podcast, dedicated to the experiences of Black motherhood. Join us as we explore Elia's journey, her insights on Black educator retention, and her valuable advice for those contemplating a career transition.

Episode 39: Solo Sabbatical: Battling Burnout, Finding Renewal with Jailyn Jenkins

Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:00:00 GMT

This episode of The Exit Interview features a deep dive into the experiences and insights of Jailyn Jenkins, a former STEM educator who transitioned into a role supporting Black educators after facing burnout. Jailyn shares her personal journey, highlighting the significance of mental health, the critical need for authentic recruitment and retention strategies for educators of color, and the transformative power of rest and healing. The discussion also covers the establishment of BEST (BIPOC Educational STEM Thinkers), a community initiative aimed at fostering joy, belonging, and advocacy amongst educators of color. The episode is an inspiring call to action for supporting Black educators, enriching educational environments, and prioritizing well-being in the educational field.

Episode 38: Educator to Education Consultant with Dr. Cletis Allen

Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:45:47 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia Lyons and special guest Dr. Cletis Allen delve into the educational journey of black educators. Dr. Allen, an advocate for culturally responsive literacy instruction and a curriculum development specialist, shares her transition from a classroom teacher to a consultant. Discussing the importance of teacher participation in curriculum decisions, shared experiences of navigating through educational careers, and the significance of seeking joy and satisfaction in personal and professional life. This episode sheds light on challenges faced by black educators and explores the transformative power of education.

Episode 37: Elementary Education Evolved with Yasha Chapman

Tue, 05 Mar 2024 13:00:00 GMT

In this episode, of the Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators Yasha Chapman, an accomplished Black educator and CEO of Elementary Education Evolved, shares her experiences and insights about the challenges faced by Black educators and the importance of retaining them in the field of teaching. Yasha discusses her journey in education, from initially wanting to be a pharmacist to becoming a classroom teacher and eventually an instructional coach. She emphasizes the need to amplify the voices of Black educators, involve them in decision-making processes, and compensate them for their expertise. Yasha's consultancy, Elementary Education Evolved, focuses on providing professional development and coaching for new teachers and aims to close the academic achievement gap for Black and Brown students in the K-5 setting. This episode offers valuable insights and strategies for school districts, human resources departments, and school unions to better retain Black educators and create a more inclusive and supportive educational environment.

Episode 36: Special Episode: Episode 141 :The Exit Interview Podcast

Tue, 20 Feb 2024 14:00:00 GMT

In this weeks compelling episode, we speak with Dr. Asia Lyons, CEO of Lyons Educational Consulting, co-facilitator of the Black Educator Wellness Cohort, and co-host of The Exit Interview Podcast. With experiences spanning Detroit to Denver, Dr. Lyons shares her journey, from attending a gifted high school and navigating failure in college, to shedding light on the critical role of community colleges and nontraditional pathways into education (#shoutout to those bus routes!).

Episode 35: Teaching Internationally While Black with Brittni Black with Brittni Joy

Tue, 06 Feb 2024 00:04:48 GMT

After teaching in Atlanta's public schools Brittni had to make a choice, quit teaching or try her hand at teaching in the Middle East. Take a listen as she shares her experience as an educator both here and abroad, what she feels would improve schools in the United States and what she is up to now that she is back state side.

Episode 34: Supporting Black Women Educators with Deidra Fogarty

Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:06:16 GMT

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Kev and Dr. Asia sit down with Deidra Fogarty founder of Black Girls Teach an organization that offers Black women educators a supportive environment to openly grow, collaborate, and unite as they demand change in education. Take a listen as she talks about her transition out of education, strategies she feels could turn the tied of Black women leaving education and how Black Girls Teach is changing the game for education across the U.S.

Episode 33: Healing Starts with Mindset with Michelle Emmanuelle

Mon, 13 Nov 2023 19:03:43 GMT

Michelle Emmanuelle is a former private school educator turned wellness educator, consultant, and professional speaker. In her episode, she discusses the ways she navigated pressures from administrators and students. Michelle also provides our audience with healing practices that they can begin anywhere and in any situation.

Episode 32: Hope for Our Education System with Lacey Robinson

Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we are joined by Lacey Robinson, the president and CEO of UnboundEd and the chair of the Board of CORE Learning. As CEO, Robinson sets the organizations vision for transforming instruction for students at the margins. She is a former teacher, principal, and professional development specialist who has focused on literacy, equity, and school leadership for more than 25 years. Her lifes work aims to enable educators to disrupt systemic inequities in their school districts and classrooms.

She shares her journey from a pre-service educator at Marva Collins Prep to her current position in UnboundEd.

Episode 31: Advocating for Black Families with Ronda Haynes-Belen

Tue, 17 Oct 2023 22:43:29 GMT

We're back for another episode! In this edition, we have a conversation with Ronda Haynes-Belen, a former family liaison who played a vital role in connecting families with essential resources within a school district in the Denver area. Tune in as she opens up about her encounters with instances of anti-Black sentiment within her department, her choice to step away from that environment, and the self-care and healing she now prioritizes.

Episode 30: Protecting and Supporting Black Children with Mia Street

Fri, 06 Oct 2023 16:25:26 GMT

In this episode, Mia Street shares her story of working hard to protect Black children while creating her own peace within her community. Listen as Mia explores anti-blackness in the schools she supported as well as ways that she advocated for herself and the children in her care.

Episode 29: Mind-Body Wellness Practices with Dr. Siobhan Flowers

Thu, 21 Sep 2023 15:39:07 GMT

In this episode of the Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, we continue discussing what it means to heal from racial battle fatigue in the workplace. Listen as Dr. Flowers shares her classroom experiences and how she supports the healing of Black educators.

Episode 28: Supporting Black and Brown Male Educators with Dr. Dedrick Sims

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:41:36 GMT

In our first live tapping, Kevin and Dr. Asia sit down with Dr. Dedrick Sims of the Sims-Fayola Foundation to talk about the importance of retention and recruitment of Black and Brown male educators, his own education story, and what it means to heal while doing the work of educating our youth.

Episode 27: Kev's Ideas on Retaining Black Educators

Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:21:11 GMT

This will be Kevin's first year as an assistant principal in the Denver area! In this episode, he briefly talks about his ideas on how school districts can retain Black educators based on his experiences in the classroom.

Episode 26: Special Episode: Dr. Asia on The Thoughtful Counselor Podcast

Sat, 05 Aug 2023 01:03:13 GMT

Dr. Asia Lyons is a guest on The Thoughtful Counselor Podcast!

"In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons meets with Dr. Dsa Karye Daniel to discuss the tenants of Racial Battle Fatigue and racism-related stress. Throughout their conversation, they reflect on the experiences of Black Teachers and how sharing these experiences can change the narrative for future Black educators. Dr. Lyons gives examples of how mental health practitioners can support Black educators through culturally responsive practices." -From, The Thoughtful Counselor Podcast

Episode 24: Healing from Racial Battle Fatigue with Janet Stickmon

Sat, 29 Jul 2023 00:00:00 GMT

In this episode, Janet Stickmon returns to the podcast to talk to our audience about what healing from racial battle fatigue could look like.

Episode 23: The Pushout and Pullout of Black Educators with Dr. Asia Lyons

Wed, 19 Jul 2023 21:48:24 GMT

This brief episode highlights the crucial importance for school districts to acknowledge and address the influence of family support on the departure of Black educators from the education field. The departure is being triggered by various factors, such as policies, colleagues, administrators, and others who are contributing to pushing Black educators out. Simultaneously, family members of Black educators are also playing a significant role in pulling them out of the classroom, driven by their weariness of witnessing vicarious racial battle fatigue.

As conversations arise about retention and recruitment during summer professional development sessions within the education sector, it is imperative to include the impact of family support in these discussions. Recognizing and understanding the role of family dynamics in the decisions of Black educators to remain or leave the profession can lead to more effective strategies for addressing the issue and fostering a supportive and inclusive environment for educators of all backgrounds.

Episode 22: "So...How's Work?" with Janet Stickmon

Mon, 05 Jun 2023 02:48:47 GMT

Janet Stickmon was named 2023's Distinguished Professor by her university. She takes great pride in working with her students. She has created CenterJoyPWR: Strategies for Healing Racial Battle Fatiguean online experience for professionals of color who want to center joy in their lives. But before this Janet was a Catholic school educator with a strong desire to teach ethnic studies in a space with no interest in seeing their students understand the humanity of themselves and others. Listen as Janet shares her story along with fantastic strategies that school districts and universities should implement to retain Black educators.

Episode 21: Slow Burn with Enola Garland

Tue, 23 May 2023 14:39:17 GMT

Enola Garland found her way into the classroom as an early childhood educator. She quickly realized that working with three and four-year-olds was what she was meant for. After years in the ECE space and with COVID-19's impact on her students, colleagues, and herself along with racism-related stress in the workspace after the murder of George Floyd she knew she had to leave. Listen as Enola shares her story and what she is doing now that continues to support early child hood educators across Colorado.

Office Hours Dr. Asia Reflects

Fri, 07 Apr 2023 00:37:00 GMT

Well, its time for me to tell my Exit Interview story. On the last day of school in 2018, I threw my work i.d. in the garbage can in front of the middle school where I had taught for six years. I didnt know what was next, but I knew I had to get the hell out of there! Listen as Kev, our producer Gerardo, and I talk about my journey from the D (Detroit, that is), my own experience with racism-related stress and racial battle fatigue to being the co-host of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators.

Leaving With Your Head Held High with Nedra Hall

Tue, 07 Mar 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Nedra Rudolph is one of thousands of educational professionals that many of us see but never truly SEE. Having worked in Title 1 schools, as a Dean of Students, a paraprofessional, and a family liason. These professionals are categorically invaluable, and grossly undercompensated.

She had a great situation, but like in so many situations, when leadership changes, so does culture. Never was the old saying "sometimes it's your own people" more true than in this situation, when White supremacy was perpetrated by a fellow person of color.

After a painful journey, Nedra was able to leave her position with her head held high. She still gets to work with children daily, and has found new joy in her work.

The Freedom School 5280 with Branta Lockett

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:43:40 GMT

Branta Lockett moved through her educational odyssey at the highest levels. W.E.B. DuBois would have absolutely drafted her for his Talented Tenth All Star Team. Highly Gifted and Talented, International Baccalaureate, Brown University, she brought her sterling credentials to Denver, hoping to be the difference for all students, especially Black students.

Her first two years as a Denver teacher were, simply put, great. But by year three, things began to unravel. She witnessed disproportionate disciplinary actions taken against Black boys. Still new to the work, she became a voice of advocacy for students and community. Her evaluation scores took a jarring dip. She changed roles, and found no support in any of them. Between COVID-19 and anti-Black dynamics within the union, she took the leap.

The 5280 Freedom School, inspired by the Civil Rights eras Mississippi Freedom Schools, launched first as a summer program. After having their charter initially rejected, they are poised to open their doors in Harlem of the West, the Five Points neighborhood.

This story is at once a cautionary tale and a call to action. Learn more at www.5280freedomschool.com; follow them on socials @5280freedomschool.

Coming Back Different with Jacci Cradle

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:43:28 GMT

Jacci tells us her story of coming full circle. With her love for whom we in education consider as littles, she tells her journey as a childcare center owner who, with a heart for doing more for her community, begins her work as a Diversity Equity and Inclusion Director in a Denver Metro Area organization. Listen in as Jacci describes her story and advice for Black folks in the early learning space.

The Person I Am Now Is Different with Arvian Harper

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:43:15 GMT

Arvian Harper is a Denver Public Schools lifer. A graduate of the hallowed halls of East High School, she received a full ride engineering scholarship, later changing to pre-med. Like so many of us, she heard the call to the classroom, and she heeded, teaching Early Childhood Education, becoming a Team Lead and eventually moving into leadership.

After a series of difficult challengesa violent incident at the school, a strike, COVID-19 and a racial reckoning, she began to reflect on the Racial Battle Fatigue she had experienced. As she began to peel back the layers of trauma, she realized Theres a whole person in there.

Since her healing journey began, she founded Awakening Cafe and has entered a consulting role with none other than our own Dr. Asia Lyons. Healing is possible.

Back to School with Dr. Asia and Kev

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:42:59 GMT

After a turbulent year locally and nationally, Dr. Asia Lyons and Kevin Adams are back with your Back to School shopping list. They break down issues facing educators of color and the communities they serve as super-producer Gerardo Muoz sits in the virtual producers chair! Asia discusses life after PhD matriculation, Kevin shares the trials and tribulations of the now-completed Master Agreement contract negotiations in Denver Public Schools, and we evaluate the way forward for teachers of color. Should they follow Dr. Asia, our pedagogical Harriet Tubman to liberation? Will Kev teach forever? Does Gerardo have the attention span to make this interview pop?

Find out in this back to school episode!

I Am Complicit in This with Stacey Brandon

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:42:30 GMT

When a former director of equity in a school district joins our podcast you know its gonna be good. Stacey Brandon shares what led her to become a social worker in a Denver Metro school district, her journey to becoming director of their equity department, and consequently the decision she had to make realizing that it was time to move on. Enjoy another great episode!

Different District Same Story with Dr. Jeanette Patterson

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:42:14 GMT

Another fire episode! This time we are speaking to Dr. Jeanette Patterson, a former principal who now finds herself supporting the youth of the Denver Metro Area in a whole new way. Tune in as Dr. Patterson shares her education journey, what she thinks school districts can do to support educators, whats bringing her joy these days, and her plans for the future.

On to Higher Ground with Dr. William Anderson

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:41:55 GMT

Since last season, we have brought you stories that are heart-wrenching, painful, and traumatic. Examples of racial battle fatigue, professional violence and PTSD, which, even though most have experienced a measure of healing, or begun that healing journey, are difficult.

In some cases, Black classroom teachers depart the classroom to make a wider impact. This was the case for Dr. William Anderson, History teacher extraordinaire, who was just minding his own business, working on his doctorate, ready to return to the classroom for the 2021-2022 school year when he was tapped to take over the Teacher Education Program at the University of Denver, the first Black man to step into that role.

Dr. Anderson knew this was an opportunity to impact the profession in a more powerful way, and went on a journey to make it happen.

This is a provocative episode, and we encourage you to put on your intersectional lens as you digest this inspiring and powerful story.

On to Bigger and Better with Crystal Gillis

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:41:30 GMT

Kevin and Asia listen to Crystal Gillis story. From leaving the classroom to facilitating and developing youth voice and leadership at YAASPA, her story is informative and impactful.

I Got Receipts with Desmond Williams

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:41:15 GMT

Scholar, Author, Entrepreneur, and Educator Desmond Williams has been there, done that. A talented and effective classroom teacher, he quickly moved up the ranks to building leadership. But even as a principal, Desmond was not achieving the impact he wanted to. He found himself in frequent conflict with fellow leaders, and gained a sense of clarity.

That sense of clarity has manifested in his DEI firm Nylinka, a book, The Burning House, in which he echoes Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s question about racism as a system that perhaps African Americans should try to escape, and frequent speaking engagements and training. Desmond shares his story, questions the notion of Racial Battle Fatigue, and gets out the receipts. Do not miss this one!

It's Not About Football with Coach Tony Lindsay, Sr.

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:40:59 GMT

On December 21, Denverite broke the story that legendary community leader and Montbello/Far Northeast Warriors Coach Tony Lindsay, Sr. would not be invited back to coach football for the newly reunified Montbello High School football program. Despite a winning record that included a recent state championship, building leadership chose not to bring him back.

Coach Lindsay is more than a football coach, and much more than an Xs and Os guy. He is a mentor, a friend, an elder, and a leader in his community since he began coaching nearly three decades ago. A onetime NFL player who played professionally in Canada, Coach Lindsays reputation is sterling in his community.

Asia and Kevin sit with him and hear his story. He shares his emotional journey as he recounts times that he was all some of his players had, and the outcry since the announcement has been deafening. In a time when the Far Northeast community needs every hand on deck to unite the community, this will prove a difficult blow from which to recover.

Listen and remember the value of community-grown leaders.

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Coach Tony Lindsay Sr. will not lead the new Montbello High football team

Ya Might Win Some with Michael Diaz-Rivera

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:39:06 GMT

Michael Diaz-Rivera was a brilliant and respected teacher with a reputation for empowering and inspiring his Black and Latinx students. He rose quickly to prominence for his unapologetic radical love for his community and our children. A frequent advocate and organizer for his professional association, school, and district, Michael was featured in local stories across the city for his tireless advocacy and sacrifice for his communities.

Things went south, as they often do for Black educators. His outspoken nature landed him under thee microscope and he found his former allies turning from him. He departed teaching this summer. The classic Lauryn Hill lyric ya might win some, but ya just lost one springs to mind.

Michael will be okay. Maybe even better. But will we?

The Origins of Racial Battle Fatigue with Dr. William Smith Part II

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:38:33 GMT

Asia and Kevins interview with Dr. William Smith of the University of Utah was so saturated with wisdom that we brought him back for a part II!

In this conversation, Dr. Smith shares his wisdom, doing a deep-dive into Racial Battle Fatigue. He discusses a litany of topics, including his rebuttal of the notion that Racial Battle Fatigue is analogous to post-traumatic stress disorder and the various manifestations of RBF, behavioral, psychological and physiological. He reveals that addressing racism as it is experienced by Black educators and their communities requires an honest look back over centuries, as opposed to reading a book or having a community circle in professional development.

Get out your notebooks; Dr. Smith is going to take you to school with this one.

You Can Stand on My Shoulders with Dr. Darlene Sampson

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:38:12 GMT

Equity is the goal for nearly every diverse school district in the country. As the ripple effects of generational trauma and systemic oppression continue to be felt in communities of color, especially Black and Brown communities, districts like the Denver Public Schools have created positions and offices of equity, inclusion, or both.

Dr. Darlene Sampson, equity specialist coordinator at the Western Educational Equity Assistance Center and a clinical field faculty in the Department of Social Work at Metropolitan State University of Denver, was once the director of Culturally Responsive Education in Denver Public Schools, bringing with her three decades of experience to a vitally important office, especially as the district sought to end generational inequity and trauma within the school system. In 2006 she stepped into the position, confident and excited to begin the work that not only was she was she passionate about, she had lived it, growing up in Pueblo, Colorado where there were not that many of us.

Soon, she discovered that her employer was not prepared to do the work. They were not ready for her greatness, which is to say that they did not establish the conditions under which true Culturally Responsive Education could grow. Instead of building a space for liberation, she describes her daily work as a battle ground, and even finds the term Racial Battle Fatigue to fall short in describing what she experienced. It was a plantation experience.

Today, Dr. Sampson shares with us her experiences fighting the good fight, the correct fight, and the work in which she is currently engaged. She harbors no ill will; she simply realizes that her employers were simply not prepared for what Culturally Responsive work required.

The Origins of Racial Battle Fatigue with Dr. William Smith

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:37:52 GMT

This is a real special episode of the Exit Interview! Asia and Kevin talk with Dr. William A. Smith, professor of Education and Ethnic Studies at the University of Utah. Dr. Smith, who developed some of the most profound research around the concept of Racial Battle Fatigue, shares his research, insights and experiences tracking this phenomenon.

In this profound and wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Smith discusses a veritable library of topics, so many that we decided to expand this conversation to two parts (Part II will be out this summerstay tuned!). He shares his perspectives on the positioning of school leaders and teachers in regard to revolutionary action. He shares his thoughts on Black representation in film as a pacifying force. He names the genocidal actions taken against Black people both past and present.

Throughout this conversation with this next level scholar, the learning is strong, the struggle In contextualized, and the inspiration is total. Tune in!

I Am Still an Educator with Shalelia Dillard

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:36:11 GMT

Welcome to Episode 4 of the Exit Interview with Asia Lyons and Kevin Adams!

This week we hear Shalelia Dillard share her story. It is a similar refrain for Black educators who have experienced institutional alienation and rejection within the education system. We invite you to listen and take in her story of optimism, belief in schooling as an equalizer and in her own brilliance and talents to provide a quality education for children generally, only to see her confidence and professionalism come under attack by the same forces that permeate our system.

But, as we have seen during the life of this podcast, the process has been liberatory while still painful. Shalelia has discovered that most dangerous of discoveries: that it is possible to continue to be an educator without teaching in a school. She shares her inspirational path and reminds us of what it means to be not an industry artist, but an artist in the industry.

God Said It Was Time with Donna Druery

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 18:33:01 GMT

Being a Black educator in the American system of schooling will test the faith of the strongest. In this powerful episode, Doctoral candidate Donna Druery (who has her defense the day after this episode!) shares the long journey through education that ultimately ended with her departure. She shares upsetting experiences, ranging from the hostile to the absurd. An excellent educator once highly recruited and touted as exceptional in her context, she experienced what so many Black educators experience. Her professionalism was not simply questioned, but outright attacked. She was the subject of gossip among White teachers. For over a decade she found herself in a textbook abusive relationship with her job. At times, she felt that we were turning a corner only to find herself attacked again.

Listeners will find resonance with Donnas story. The constant strategizing simply to be heard in her community the physical manifestations of her racial battle trauma.

Through it all Donnas faith carried her to a degree that is jarring and powerful. Dont miss this episode of the Exit Interview!

Everything for a Reason with Analise Harris

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 17:48:57 GMT

Analise Harris embodies Black genius, Black ingenuity, and a resilience. Always socially conscious and connected to her community, Analise entered the education system through alternative means after studying sociology in college. Having worked with the NAACP and other advocacy organizations, we in education were bless to have her join our ranks and work with children every day. She was impactful immediately and beloved by her students and parent community.

Then, as occurs so often with Black women teachers, things went south. The gossip. The microaggressions that became outright hostility. In a wrenching conversation that lays bare the pain shouldered by Black women educators, Analise shares in stark and unapologetic detail her harrowing journey from star teacher to persona non grata. Even today, she expresses bewilderment at the ways in which she was treated, as she re-lives the trauma of being run out of the classroom.

But she never wavered in her commitment, her goals, and her certainty that she was doing right by her students. Listen as she turns her pain and struggle into one of the most exciting STEAM programs in the area. She now looks to corner the market that schools simply refuse to see. This is a powerful, painful, but ultimately inspirational story of healing and creative genius.

Do not miss this one!

Don't Ever Downplay My Accomplishments with Sataira Douglas

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 16:18:12 GMT

The Exit Interview premiers with the story of Sataira Douglas.

When she came into the teaching game, Sataira was a highly regarded rising star in teaching. In a profession that struggles to recruit, let alone retain, Black teachers, Sataira was sought after by multiple school districts.

The situation decayed quickly. Microaggressions and macroaggressions. Gaslighting. Frozen out by colleagues. Rumors. Blamed for colleagues health problems. Invisible labor. The stress on family and community members who watched her struggle and still hold her head high. Belittled publicly in front of colleagues.

And still, Sataira came to work. Told herself it could be worse. Worried what would happen to her students if she left. Staying for a community of parents and children that she felt a bond with. Hold your head down. Just do your job.

And yet, I knew I was going to quit by October.

But through the pain and professional harm done to her, Sataira found a way to rise. To discover her power. To learn exactly how much was too much.